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Wednesday, September 06, 2006

Tony Snow's Version of Reality

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow's version of reality: "Earlier, speaking to reporters, Snow, continuing the administration's media focus on the war on terror, accused some in the Democratic Party of saying 'we shouldn't fight the war' and 'we shouldn't apprehend al-Qaeda' or even 'question al-Qaeda.'" [link]

What kind of world is this when the White House Press secretary can utter statements that push the boundaries of propaganda to the outer limits of creativity, and yet go unchallenged? How could Snow have mischaracterized even more egregiously; by stating that democrats rendezvous with aliens from pluto?

If by the first of the three quick quotes by Snow above, he is referring to the Iraq war, then yes, many democrats, some republicans, and a majority of Americans think that our efforts to transform Iraq -- a nation no more connected to al-Qaeda before the war than 40 other countries by the White House's own accounting -- have been counterproductive, poorly managed, and perhaps an ongoing mistake. That perception has little to do with al-Qaeda, as opposed to the view that our efforts in Iraq have not been properly framed, sold to the world, or managed; may not be able to play much of a role in how Iraq's warring ethnic factions play out; are diverting us from focusing on catching al-Qaeda and preventing a what is becoming a troubling resurgence of the al-Qaeda base operations and Taliban in Afghanistan; and enabling radical terrorist cell recruitment. It's a point of view.

But Snow's subsequent statements, that because of this, or because some democratic leaders (including many who would focus much more heavily on capturing al-Qaeda) have different ideas with respect to how best to minimize, root out, and eradicate this loose network of anti-Western terrorist cells that pose the real challenge that we face, somehow believe we "shouldn't apprehend," or "even question" al-Qaeda, are simply beyond the pale. ...As beyond the pale as it gets. But yet all too frequent in what is becoming a country rapidly dominated by inane rhetoric over reality, even as our policy understanding seems to go further and further awry.

Snow's statements are also incredibly insulting to democrats. It is a huge wonder they take it.

But Snow's statements also raise the question as to "why?" Why must he so egregiously mischaracterize reality in order to support his points? (Why must the RNC today?)

As for anything that does not support Snow's spin in general? "Democratic talking points." Including Facts.

Speaking of "democrats who take it," NBC reporter David Gregory, in this same briefing, had an interesting comment. Snow, according to this Editor and Publisher article, gave Gregory some grief, who responded: "You can do that to the Democrats; don't do it to me."

What was Snow doing to him? Answering his question by saying it "was a democratic argument," then taking continued issue, accusing Gregory of being rude, and pointing his finger at him when Gregory insisted that Snow not dismiss what Gregory felt was a legitimate question that way. Apparently, in the new world of spinspeak, not actually repeating republican talking points, or asking questions, and insisting on answers (in other words, a reporters job) is "being rude."

For the record, what was Gregory's question? He asked, given that the public, as he suggested, may well wonder, why the President did not admit more failings on the administration's part.

Was this democratic spin? Or was it a fair question for an administration that has established an abysmal record in the eyes of many, yet seems to shirk from ever taking accountability despite making statements and promises that have repeatedly turned out to be wrong, or not kept, or simply untrue. There seem to have been a lot of mistakes made. It would seem that if it was simply democratic spin by Gregory, Tony Snow could have simply answered it by saying that there have not been many failings on the administration's part.

Presumably even Mr. Snow could not say this with a straight face.

12 Comments:

Anonymous said...

david gregory's statement was republican spin. it is a matter of opinion that this administration has had a lot of failures, and gregory suggested it. he also spun the idea that the public should wonder about it.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
keezer said...

anon,

if the adminstration has not had any failings, why didn't snow just say that. wouldnt that be a good time to trumpet their successes?

what gregory asked was fair. this president has some of the lower approval ratings in modern history, when this same war originaly made him very popular. it is because almost nothing has turned out the way the adminstration has stated it would. many republicans have publicly questioned the way the administratio has handled the war. and the administration seemed to exagerrate and cherry pick the facts or take guesses and present them as fact in the case for war.

yet there have been almost no indications of taking accountabily for anything. for Iran's increasing irascibility, when a few years ago they wanted to work with us. for korea. for Iraq. for first denying global warming was problem, then waffling on it, then denying it again.

For cutting off a lot of information from the public. for saying its secret spy programs, and its secret prisons and tribunals were valid, when courts have found them to be unconstitutional. including a very conservative supreme court in the latter case. for saying that its secret spy programs are necessary to spy on the bad guys, when, as this blog and many others point out, unlike this same media, this is not true at all.

for wild deficits despite what has been good growth and relatively low overall defense spending still....for the fact that the deficit fueled growth has produced a drop in real wages over the past five years -- this is something that most americans, even if it is not widely reported, can feel every day...

yet here has been almost no accountability, and very low approval ratings. wouldnt it be irresponsible journalism not to ask "how come there have not been more acknowledgement of mistakes"?

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
Anonymous said...

gregory put the idea out there that the public should be wondering. that is a democratic talking point.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
sue32 said...

he said that the public is wondering. which it is. so given that, and the mistakes themselves, why hasn't the administration addressd more of the misakes made (and also how they are going to be corrected). how is that a democratic talking point?

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
sue32 said...

why have democrats allowed themselves to be mischaracterized like that? you are right in this post, that is, using your words, incredibly insulting to democrats. why do they not use that to show that not only are republicans wrong on this issue, but they dont understand anything.

they rule by demonizing.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
TheOctillion said...

dunno. that's a good point. been making it. been askin' it. but to say that one party doesnt understand anything is a little harsh.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
sue32 said...

I meant that the current administration is pretty far right, and they dont seem to understand any point but their own. YOU made that point in a post the other day (yesterday?). this administration, a lot of republicans have asked, why does it seem that they are really impervious to new information or even any other kind of ideas

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
TheOctillion said...

you're right. I did make that point, about rumsfeld, this idea that those who dont agree with him are al-Qaeda appeasers. I find that personally insulting, and I really like Rumsfeld (well, dont agreewith him much). I may be the furthest thing from an al-Qaeda appeaser there is. I'm not even sure we shouldn't be turning Pakistan upside down instead of all those countries that start with an I. I've said it before, we are in a delicate position with Pakistan, but capturing al-Q has to be the number one priority. we need to build diplomatic capital where we can - the opposite of what we have done -- but not by letting the cells we need to eradicate stay hidden....

at any rate, I dont know why democrats put up with it. I think they think its just spin, that nobody pays attention to. I think they are wrong on that...

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
keezer said...

I know, I saw that about Pakistan. Can you believe that? I read a pice on the daily Kos about it. they dont talk about it that much over there (you might be right, maybe the think it is obvious we have to go after terrorists, and that everybody knows this and that they dont beleive the republican spin?)he's pretty hawkish. also was gonna join the CIA after the military. yet the media always presents him as some sort of leftist guy, because he doesnt like all the rhetorical bullshit..

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
TheOctillion said...

I write some stuff on the kos site, and link to it sometimes.

I hate that it gets characterized as some "leftist" site when it not only represents a cross section of democrats, but I think a lot of Americans across the board would agree with a lot of the substantive points, if it wasnt so like just simply anti republican. I think that site is so angry at all the misleading statements (I call them misleading statements, they call them "lies") and just thinks that people should know this.

I agree on K, he has some moderate/conservative views, and some liberal views. I think what happens there is that staunch liberals are pretty vocal. plus there is not a lot of happiness for what is going on poltically with the way things have been handled.

I have a hard time believing that Pakistan thing. not that I don't. I really have no official comment. it is just that outside of Afghanistan, which almost every main democrat supported despite the fact taht the media makes it seem otherwise, there just has not been a lot of "harboring" of terrorists. that's the thing. it really is a loose network of borderless sovereignless cells, as I keep tryig to emphasize. I think Wes Clark has made this point a lot, but could be wrong. at any rate, not a lot of harboring, but Pakistan has always been sort of on the border there with that, and now this....
at the same time, there has not been a lot of cooperation from a lot of countries, including some that gave us some earlier. I think that really needs to be a focus. given the nature of this beast, I dont think we can force that with a stick.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
Anonymous said...

you guys are ridiculous. Iraq would be a huge threat if we had not gotten rid of Hussein. Iran is worse than Iraq. Pakistan has been helpig us. and we have not had any attacks against us because of the current policies.

and you can't just be nice to these countries and think that they will help us.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  
keezer said...

anon,

"oh, okay."

your only comment even worth responding to is the attacks issue. we had barely been attacked before sept 11. that was huge for them. they operate on a diffrt time table. plus, we went into afghanistan and really wiped out their base. they really should be much less of a threat now, but most experts say that have not been that reduced, and some other loosely related cells are copying, and that our risk is just as high. after sept 11, it should have been a lot lower. we should have made sure we captured evey last one of them, or most anyway.

I think we need to focus on al-Qaeda more. I dont like all this "what will al-Qaeda think" language about staying or not staying in Iraq. it seems the far right is on the one hand accusing everybody but their uncle of being an "appeaser" and then on the other hand worrying all the time about what al-Qaeda will think.it doesn't really matter. they're a terrorist organization.

Wednesday, September 06, 2006  

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